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Subject: Re: your recent talk at IIMB
To: "Venkata Ramanaiah" <>
Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 4:31 PM

Dear Dr Ramanaiah,
thank you for asking for my comments.
We all develop philosophies of business and life based on individual perceptions hence it is difficult to have a generally acceptable approach to the decisive factors in modern business environment.
I feel that any approach based on relegion assumes that the recepient of the discourse has a value system based on faith or having grown up in an environment based on religious teaching. While most people would be covered in this category there are many rationalist achivers who are not motivated by religious faith but have an excellent value system based on social logic. I feel that while giving advice this category should not be excluded.
Corruption can be contained and we can get a bit closer to societies in countries like Singapore, Finland and New Zealand by assertive leadership by young people. If they face and show zero tolerence for corruption at every level,  changes for the better will start taking place.
We should consider the views of eminent thinkers like Amartya Sen and Lord Meghnath Desai who suggest a missionary reform of the education system, so that the right  value sytem gets embedded in young minds by teachers are well paid and carefully chosen to lead by personal example.
We are moving slowly but positively and I  laud you for your visionary approach. I am an ordinary technocrat and caanot claim any special wisdom but since you have taken the trouble to ask for my views, I have  sent my response.
Warm regards,
Col BK Rai

----- Original Message -----
From: Venkata Ramanaiah <>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:31 pm
To:,,,,,,,,,,, rr@cmu.edn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

> Dear Sirs,
> The following is a TALK given by me to IIMB alumni on 11/9 of 2009
> at Hyderabad.As this impinges on publc policy including technology
> policy,I would appreciate if you could send your valuable comments.
> Thanks&Regards
> C.Venkataramanaiah BE(Gold Medallist),MBA(IIM-B,74-76)
> Hyderabad,INDIA
> (MSMT)
> There is a clear failure of the world order today.The gunpoint
> Capitalism and Communism evolved out of the Industrial Revolution 
> are a clear failure at this stage  unable to solve today’s
> problems.The conclusive orthodox religious order of various hues
> based on absoluteness,immutability,omnipotency, permanency and
> perfection are not capable of answering today’s world
> awareness,often pulling  the world backward towards intolerance
> and violence.The oft spoken love,brotherhood,concern for the
> fellow human being and co-operative social collaboration are
> missing today.From morning until going to bed,everybody seems to
> be running madly without holistic meaning to life.
> It is the failure of the Teacher today than that of the
> student/public.The need of the hour is  Innovation  in every
> sphere more so in the social systems,social order and
> Spirituality.For a possible approach and answer,please visit 
> In these days of MP’s Corruption, Corruption in highest places,
> Corruption all around us, Favouratism, Nepotism,Discrimination and
> Embezzlement every where, Violence, Mistrust, Social indifference
> and Social disorder, we have to look for alternatives. This
> prompted, the Creation of this  Public Charitable Trust on 11-06-
> 2003. There is a need for Paradigm  shift in our thinking, faiths,
> beliefs, attitudes and behavior for achieving Synergy, Peace,
> Harmony, Justice and Development. There is a need for striking a
> balance between materialism and spiritualism for ensuring human
> survival and life survival in general. The attitude of
> imposing/prescribing everything i.e. do’s and don’ts for progeny
> must go and a system of freshness, creativity and a relook  at 
> the entire past is the need of the hour. The world today faces
> extreme violence, be it extremism or terrorism or fundamentalism
> of various origins.   The root cause has to be analyzed in a
> dispassionate  and objective manner. The technological knowledge
> gained by mankind should not become source of its own destruction.
> Wisdom should prevail over knowledge. There is a need for balance
> every where, be it personal life, materialist and spiritual
> thoughts,  social order, justice, equality of opportunity or
> development. 
> There is a need to understand materialism and spiritualism and
> philosophy of Shrama (Labour). Materialism gives that all life
> originated from matter and the methods used are Scientific
> postulations, verification and that is the path ( i.e. induction
> or deduction). Whereas spiritualism originates itself from the
> realizations of Rishis/ Mahapurushas / Prophets / Imams / Teachers
> / Rabbies.  To understand realization is to go through that
> process and that is not in your hands. There is no verifiable
> proof as required by the scientific method.  With individuals who
> have gained scientific knowledge and methodology and spiritual
> realization, fusion between them is possible which will  lead to
> synergy  between materialism and  spiritualism for human wellbeing
> . In order to create knowledge and skills in this historically
> evolved  situation, new ways and new postulations based on the
> above are required at least for the present time. These two aspects
> namely Materialism and Spiritualism are the only known
> aspects/methods of enquiry about Truth and there could be infinite
> possible methods if mankind has evolved  to that state. This being
> a possibility.
> To understand synergy, peace, harmony, justice and development in
> society  ( global / national), one has to understand meaning of
> labour (Shrama), its  origin, its philosophy and its ideals.
> In order to bring forth a direction and knowledge and skills on
> these above lines i.e. Materialism Spiritualism and Shrama Dharma,
> this Public Charitable Trust is created  on 11-06-2003, with other
> objectives as given in this website. Perhaps there will be more
> synergy, peace, harmony, justice and development with minimum Laws
> and  least policing with the right kind of social systems. It is
> the failure of the teacher today, than that  of the
> student/public. The right systems and processes have to come in
> place and hence creative research is required to create this. This
> is the major objective  of this Trust.
> Brief Points for the TALK
> Ø  Spiritualism – a brief
> Ø  Materialism –a brief
> Ø  History of Eastern and Western Philosophies --- a brief
> Ø  Materialism Spiritualism -  a  new paradigm  in philosophy
> Ø  Tools used – Truth and reality and five states of existence
> Ø  Under research and realization
> Ø  Shrama (Labour) -  origin, development and philosophy
> Ø  Shrama Dharma -  a new paradigm in social existence evolved 
> from Eastern and Western life/ Cultural processes
> Ø  Materialism Spiritualism and Sharma Dharma – two tools for
> Synergy, Peace, Harmony, Justice and Development
> Ø  Conclusion- assimilation, Integration and Innovation and
> direction for future.
> C.Venkataramanaiah BE(Gold Medallist),MBA(IIM-B,74-76)
> Founder&Managing Trustee
> Materialist Spiritualist Mission Trust
> Hyderabad,INDIA